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Hybrid Meteroa · Feb 19, 2009, 07:42 PM // 19:42

I'm 17. Bought Guild Wars when I was 13. I have no problems waiting for GW2, but that's probably because I'm still having tons of fun with GW1, and I can certainly occupy myself with other games in the process.

I can wait, but that's not saying I wouldn't mind finding out that GW2 is comming out this year!

Greedy Gus · Feb 19, 2009, 07:45 PM // 19:45

I think you've incorrectly identified the two different schools of thought. From my standpoint, the main differences emerging between two 'sides' in those threads have to do more with having faith vs. using critical thinking and deduction. Those asking for proof that GW2 is in development aren't necessarily any more patient or impatient than those who trust in ANet (re-read through the responses, personal patience falls all along the spectrum regardless of opinion), they are simply are looking for a different type of reassurance and are drawing from historical evidence from GW & other example games for building a context. The PR word from a few individuals in ANet means very little to someone who doesn't have faith and is trying to deduce their best conclusion logically.

Having faith in ANet is not a bad thing, and is not mutually exclusive with being able to think critically; the faithful fans just choose not to do so.

Quaker · Feb 19, 2009, 07:50 PM // 19:50

I think it's a personality thing, not an age thing. Some "personalities" seem to think that they are entitled to all sorts of things. In this case they think they are entitled to info about GW2 as if ANet has some inherent responsibility to keep them informed of every thing ANet does.
Some other personalities are more realistic and realize that there are many reasons why ANet may not want/need/care to give out any information about anything.
Some of us whine and complain, some of us go play WoW.

Rocky Raccoon · Feb 19, 2009, 07:57 PM // 19:57

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Originally Posted by Quaker

I think it's a personality thing, not an age thing. Some "personalities" seem to think that they are entitled to all sorts of things. In this case they think they are entitled to info about GW2 as if ANet has some inherent responsibility to keep them informed of every thing ANet does.
Some other personalities are more realistic and realize that there are many reasons why ANet may not want/need/care to give out any information about anything.
Some of us whine and complain, some of us go play WoW.

I was trying to point out that because as you age time seems to go by faster; therefore, at my age 2 years might tend to fly by, whereas at 18 years it would seem like that much more time to wait.

I am too cheap for WOW, so I try Perfect World from time to time.

Sir Skullcrasher · Feb 19, 2009, 08:15 PM // 20:15

I'm 24 and I don't mind on waiting for GW2.

Tullzinski · Feb 19, 2009, 08:16 PM // 20:16

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

I am too cheap for WOW

Us old people think we should not pay for continued access to a game we already bought. But on the bright side with the stimulus package we may be able to pay for monthly fees now. $13 xtra a week!

Learned over time and playing games since Pong that you can usually occupy your time with other games in the interim. Filled in the time between waiting for Leisure Suit Larry games playing Kings/Police/Space Quest.

Crap is that the Grim Reaper behind me!!!!!

Junato · Feb 19, 2009, 10:00 PM // 22:00

Wait a minute! How old is guild wars?!?! and how come I did not hear about it when I was playing runescape when I was 13 (I am twenty now)? I haven't seen any advertisements for guild wars.

Now that gets me thinking how I got into the game.. I only been playing the game for a year now.

Legendm · Feb 19, 2009, 11:36 PM // 23:36

I think it has to do with how much of a life you have. Apparently those who think their entitled to info by Anet can't wait two years and will not have anything to do between now and then.

I'm 16 and I can certainly wait.

Lyynyyrd · Feb 19, 2009, 11:44 PM // 23:44

I believe this question is moot because GW2 is vaporware. It's like wasting time thinking about something else that doesn't exist (infinity, God, etc.)

own age myname · Feb 19, 2009, 11:45 PM // 23:45

I'm 15, started Guild Wars when I was 13. I'm just worried in 2-3years I won't care about games anymore.

But I can wait as long as games interest me.

Meat Axe · Feb 20, 2009, 12:25 AM // 00:25

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Originally Posted by Greedy Gus

I think you've incorrectly identified the two different schools of thought. From my standpoint, the main differences emerging between two 'sides' in those threads have to do more with having faith vs. using critical thinking and deduction. Those asking for proof that GW2 is in development aren't necessarily any more patient or impatient than those who trust in ANet (re-read through the responses, personal patience falls all along the spectrum regardless of opinion), they are simply are looking for a different type of reassurance and are drawing from historical evidence from GW & other example games for building a context. The PR word from a few individuals in ANet means very little to someone who doesn't have faith and is trying to deduce their best conclusion logically.

I actually wouldn't say that the people constantly demanding information about GW2 are using critical or logical thinking. In fact, it's the exact opposite. People who demand information usually either just want it because they're impatient, or think that without said information the game must not exist.

Logically, the game is being developed, and does exist. If GW2 isn't in development, then what is Anet doing with their time? They're not making much money from their old games anymore (though still a bit), and in fact, having GW1 constantly running is costing them more money with barely any additional revenue flowing in. Plus there's the whole reputation thing to consider. Word of mouth is a powerful thing. Anet is already taking a lot of flak for apparently taking too long to release GW2 (or at least information about it). Just imagine what would happen if people found out GW2 was a hoax.

So yeah, not critical thinking. The closest it comes is the argument about whether GW2 is technically vaporware. Remember, cynicism and impatience don't necessarily lead to logical thought process. In fact, they usually lead to the opposite.

Anyway, I don't think age has anything to do with impatience over GW2. I'm 21 in a month, and I have no problem waiting. And, in fact, since I get barely any enjoyment out of games, movies, and TV ever since people became too afraid to release something original, I have every reason to be impatient for GW2 (Anet released a good game before. Although there is a possibility of GW2 being terrible, they have the benefit of the doubt from me at the moment). But having a polished game is more important to me.

Personality is certainly a factor. If you're impatient because that's just the kind of person you are, then of course you're going to want GW2 right now. But it's not the only factor. The most patient man in the world can possibly become impatient if he has nothing else to do. The problem gets amplified when you factor in that to some people, GW is their favourite game, and they can't get enough of it.

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Originally Posted by own age myname

I'm 15, started Guild Wars when I was 13. I'm just worried in 2-3years I won't care about games anymore.

But I can wait as long as games interest me.

Well, if you don't care about games anymore in a couple of years, then it won't matter if or when GW2 is released. If you do still care, then it doesn't matter if or when GW2 is released as long as you can wait as long as it's released before you don't care about games anymore.

enter_the_zone · Feb 20, 2009, 12:36 AM // 00:36

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Originally Posted by Calista BlackBlood

It's really nothing to do with age or maturity(assumed to be hand in hand).People are needy,they feel superior to others and think (wrongly)that they deserve anything they ask for.How many threads appear on Guru where the OP is asking for GW2 info/screenshots/teasers? And how many times is there nothing?

The answer is quite a few,an almost constant stream of new threads and it isn't going to change.A-Net is under no contracted or financial obligation to provide snippets of anything on this forum or any other,and their staff get constantly barraged with the same questions worded different.

People need to remember that us as a playerbase do not tell them what to do,we do not demand info from them when we want it.They give us what they want to,when they want and no amount of reservoir filling with QQing will change that..

We paid for the right to play their game under their control...Not the other way round... (Simple comparison)You don't pay for something like satellite/cable tv then tell the broadcaster to broadcast what you want and when..

Not the best comparison, never heard of On-Demand?

pamelf · Feb 20, 2009, 01:33 AM // 01:33

I'm 23 and in the #1 camp...mainly because I'd like to play this game while I'm under 30 and still a student who actually has TIME to play. By 2011 I will have full-time employment and a lot less leisure time to actually enjoy playing any kind of game. I have one more year of extensive free time left, and the original beta of GW2 fit in perfectly with that time frame. I think I will always play games, but my years of enjoying them quite as much as I do now are slowly coming to an end...

iVendetta · Feb 20, 2009, 01:43 AM // 01:43

The scale leans more on your personality.

fenix · Feb 20, 2009, 01:52 AM // 01:52

I voted that my personality dictates my view, which is that I would like some information. This is because I would rather know what the game is like/going to be like so that I can either wait, or move on to another game. I feel that this is a personality thing, because I am much like that with other aspects of my life.

Greedy Gus · Feb 20, 2009, 04:45 AM // 04:45

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Originally Posted by Meat Axe

I actually wouldn't say that the people constantly demanding information about GW2 are using critical or logical thinking. In fact, it's the exact opposite. People who demand information usually either just want it because they're impatient, or think that without said information the game must not exist.

Fair enough, although from what I've seen in the last 3 main threads about this (vaporware, gw2 coming in '10/11, mike o'brian), the majority of people who this guy was forum warrioring against were not simply yipping impatiently that they wanted information/screenshots. They were logically deducing that GW2 has become vaporware and saying that Anet could squelch this fact immediately and quell some fears by switching their PR strategy to involve some information flow. Short of that, they could stop baiting current fans by sending people out to talk up how hard they're working on the game and how amazingly great its going to be. Essentially, the 'put up or shut up' / 'money where your mouth is' response.

The other side, who I see as the faithful, take ANet at their word. If they feel threatened by those who don't, they tend to attack them as being impatient (see this thread: the OP is 'pondering' whether his forum opponents are children or merely childish), not dealing with the actual reason that people are asking for ANet to prove them wrong. They don't (necessarily) lack patience, they lack faith in companies and public relations statements.

Gigashadow · Feb 20, 2009, 05:09 AM // 05:09

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Originally Posted by Greedy Gus

Short of that, they could stop baiting current fans by sending people out to talk up how hard they're working on the game and how amazingly great its going to be. Essentially, the 'put up or shut up' / 'money where your mouth is' response.

The number of announcements that have come out is I think 3 in two years, so I don't think you can really say they are constantly baiting. There was the initial announcement of the game in 2007, the cancellation of beta for 2008, and then this week's announcement.

edit: When people are posting "No info for two years! I don't think GW2 is actually being developed at all", they are damned if they answer the question ("Tell us more than just the generic PR line that you are still working on it and it will be great when it comes out") and damned if they stay silent ("They wouldn't even respond, it's obviously not even being developed! Vaporware").

Cale Roughstar · Feb 20, 2009, 05:27 AM // 05:27

I'm 18. Ill be however old I will be when GW2 comes out. I will be that old that year even if GW2 hasn't come out. w/e.

GW2 will come out when it comes out, we can be certain of that. Yes it would be nice to get some info about it here and there, but if there isn't, well, the least we can do is stop whining. I'm in no hurry for GW2, still lots for me to do in game.

GrendelScout1 · Feb 20, 2009, 01:48 PM // 13:48

Hmmm. I didn't think this thread would go in this direction. Originally, the OP was asking a question based on his interpretations and assumptions of how he thinks people's perspectives are dictated, with respect to the availablitity of GW2 information. He then concluded with “If you feel there are any other reasons feel free to bring them up.” Now we have a poll, and the only polling options are age, personality, both, or neither? What are we trying to determine here again?

Is this the real question: Is it age or personality that dictates your view on GW2? And age and personality are the only things that can influence this view? Really? Or are we trying to deduce what dictates our view on anything? Or, as I have my underlying suspicions, are we not attempting some sort of ruse here with some seemingly deeper, more nefarious implications?

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Originally Posted by Greedy Gus

Fair enough, although from what I've seen in the last 3 main threads about this (vaporware, gw2 coming in '10/11, mike o'brian), the majority of people who this guy was forum warrioring against were not simply yipping impatiently that they wanted information/screenshots. They were logically deducing that GW2 has become vaporware and saying that Anet could squelch this fact immediately and quell some fears by switching their PR strategy to involve some information flow. Short of that, they could stop baiting current fans by sending people out to talk up how hard they're working on the game and how amazingly great its going to be. Essentially, the 'put up or shut up' / 'money where your mouth is' response.

The other side, who I see as the faithful, take ANet at their word. If they feel threatened by those who don't, they tend to attack them as being impatient (see this thread: the OP is 'pondering' whether his forum opponents are children or merely childish), not dealing with the actual reason that people are asking for ANet to prove them wrong. They don't (necessarily) lack patience, they lack faith in companies and public relations statements.

I share this sentiment, for the most part. Altho, Gus refers to these people as the faithful, I like to call them the kool-aid drinkers and sycophants. Regardless, discussion with these people rarely lead anywhere productive, because any criticism, valid or not, is viewed as an attack on their whole moral fiber and then all sorts of unnecessary drama ensues. Trying to have a civil discussion with ones who immediately label you as an enemy the moment you have a dissenting opinion is an exercise in futility. It's a shame really, because a lot of times, the true believers will often have good points or valuable insight. However, the “you are either with me, or you're against me” position is counterproductive, because the discussion ends at that point and it usually devolves into a “ur mom” “no ur mom” match typically.

For the record, I have faith

that Anet is working on and eventually will release GW2 sometime down the road. While I'd like to see something every now and again about their progress on it, I don't really expect too much, if anything. I do feel though that their being tight lipped on the matter is doing harm in ways that they aren't foreseeing, or choosing to ignore perhaps, and in the long run, it will result in some negative impacts which could have been avoided.

Anyways, the poll is flawed. Age and personality aren't mutually exclusive, and there are quite a few more variables that shape anyone's view, towards GW2 or towards anything for that matter.

Rocky Raccoon · Feb 20, 2009, 02:38 PM // 14:38

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Originally Posted by GrendelScout1

He then concluded with “If you feel there are any other reasons feel free to bring them up.” Now we have a poll, and the only polling options are age, personality, both, or neither? What are we trying to determine here again?

I would like to clarify that I did not create the poll and I am very open to all relevant opinions.